president obama looking down during the debate. i have a memory of 2008 where we remember the first debate with obama and john mccain, where mccain did not make eye contact for much of the debate with obama. looking down. surprised by romney's strength and not engaged. >> he was intense. he leaned in. it was like he had a lot of coffee before the debate. and he was just going after the president. my question for you, joe, is why can't he transfer this to the campaign trail sf. >> that's what everybody said last night. i think he was comfortable talking about facts. talking about information. i don't think -- >> he wasn't explaining a lot of stuff. >> just hanging out with the kids. >> we're talking about speeches and rallies, things people want to hear. i bet the americans watching last night are the same people going to the rallies. they want to hear more. >> and that's a challenge for mitt romney. you heard that after everybody got over the shock of how great mitt romney and did and how poorly the president did. now can he conver